![]() The Beta buys the advertising that his Blue Pill conditioning has presented to him for a lifetime. They believe that if they meet the right girl, if they align correctly with that special ONE, then they too can give up and not worry about their performance burden – or relax and only make the base effort necessary to keep his ONE happy. However, this is the same mistake men make in their Blue Pill, Beta conditioning. Japan’s herbivorous men crisis is a graphic example of the long term effects of this. Refuse to play along and reject the burden altogether. I wont get too deep into this, but one reason I see the MGTOW sphere being so seductive is the hopeful promise of that same relief. When I consider Niko’s perspective alongside this I begin to see a stark paradox mens’ want for a relief or a respite from that performance burden tends to be their undoing. To stop fighting, to stop playing the game, just for a while. We want to stop being on guard all the time, and have a chance to simply be with someone who can understand our basic humanity without begrudging it. We want to have a safe haven in which struggle has no place, where we gain strength and rest instead of having it pulled from us. In my post (and book chapter) Of Love and War I quote a reader who summed up this want for relief from men’s inherent Burden of Performance: If we project our deeply rooted desires for these things and treat others the way we want to be treated, wouldn’t society be better off for it? And isn’t this what the supplicating, loyal beta does when latches on to a woman he believes to the “ the One?” We’re not defective people for wanting or even needing the possibility love, empathy, truth, friendship, kindness, and – above all else – trust in our lives. What makes the beta the beta is his weakness, of course, but it is simultaneously his civility. It seems like this is the predicament red pill awareness puts us in when we have to consider the value of our formerly beta self. Why be a ‘good’ man when what we consider good by both personal and social measures isn’t rewarded (or only grudgingly rewarded), while what we consider ‘bad’ is what is enthusiastically rewarded with women’s genuine desire and intimacy? In other words, Hypergamy doesn’t care about what men consider good or bad. Is goodness worth it even if it isn’t profitable sexually or socially? It’s the same question. We could gender this question and simply ask “what if the perfectly good man is seen as perfectly unattractive to women, while the perfectly evil man is seen as perfectly attractive?” Glaucon puts the question like this (paraphrasing): “What if the perfectly just man is seen by everyone as perfectly unjust, while the perfectly unjust man is seen as perfectly just?” He then puts it on Socrates to effectively prove that, even in this scenario, justice would be worth it. In the beginning of the dialogue the question is “ what is justice?” But it quickly transforms into “what is the value of justice?” In other words, if goodness wins us no reward, then what value does it have? Is it valuable in its own right? Would it have value even if it cost us something, or indeed cost us everything? ![]() ![]() I think Plato took up this question in the Republic and nailed it better than most. ![]() What you’re talking about here, I think, is the inherent value of goodness or justice. I’m going to quote Divided Line here and riff a bit as I go (emphasis lot of what you’ve said here echos my own thinking to such a degree that it’s as if you read my mind. Not the least of which because I’d just finished listening to Niko’s audio here, but also because it was an interesting juxtaposition to what I’d planned to go into today. Reader Divided Line stopped me in my writing tracks on another post with this comment from the last post thread. So it’s with that in mind that I’m going to use his latest offering here as a contrast to what I’m going into today. We’ve occasionally bounced ideas off one another since the interview and I hold Niko in the highest respect for his intellectual approach and insights. I did an interview with him back in August and since then have become a semi-regular listener of his youtube channel. Niko is MGTOW, and from what I know is fairly highly regarded in that sphere. Before you move on to reading today’s post, please take 14 minutes and listen to Niko Choski’s latest here Man:the being made of stone, it’ll be relevant in the second half of this post.
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